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Re: [ARSCLIST] Looking for recording date (plus discographical digression)

Actually, I think there is an earlier one, from 1906, if memory serves, with
the same agregation.  I'm not where I can check right now.

The segment from the Act 3 Prelude to Freischuetz turns up a horn quartet
segment on a number of acoustics.

Most interesting to me are the early hunting horn ensembles from the
1900-1910 period, French and Germanic-czech, etc.  I have some on Pathe.
Most sound like they were included in or omitted from the St. Hubertus Mass.

I have a theory... We should talk about this sometime- Vancouver?


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From: "Peter Hirsch" <punto@xxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Looking for recording date (plus discographical

I certainly wasn't disputing the logic that Columbia could and did
consider men's choruses singing in German "ethnic" even when the the
group was based in New York City and singing classical (as opposed to
traditional) compositions. I just found it interesting and quaint that
an attitude of several decades ago has shifted so markedly. In any case,
you were quite right about it being "ethnic". Spottswood's book (Vol. 1)
lists it and gives a recording date of ca. March 1926. This recording is
of interest to me because of the notation "Mit Waldhorn Quartette". I
have spent a lot of time tracking down historic recordings of the horn
and this is one of the few that I have that predate Aubrey Brain and Max
Zimmolong's pre-WWII recordings of Mozart concerti by a considerable
margin. There is an Edison Amberol recording (478, Blue Amberol 2444) of
Gustave F. Heim, trumpet player in the Boston Symphony around the turn
of the twentieth century, playing a cornet solo "Die Post" with a
quartet of hornists from the BSO that was recorded in New York Feb. 26,
1910 (Koenigsberg says Feb. 10). This recording has been my holy grail
and my quest has not been fruitful to date; if anyone out there knows of
a playable copy for sale or otherwise accessible, I'd love to know.
There is a beautiful publicity photo of the group in the July 1910
Edison Phonograph Monthly, for anyone interested further.


Peter Hirsch

Steven C. Barr wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hirsch" <punto@xxxxxxxx>

Steven C. Barr wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hirsch" <punto@xxxxxxxx>

Steven Smolian wrote:

Can you supply the matrix numbers?  Some records in this series are in
Columbia's dubing maxtrix number series, made years after the
and can be misleading.
Check Spottswood's Ethnic Music on Records.

I believe the matrix number on one side (I don't have it in front of me
at the moment, but I did scrawl something on a piece of paper) is
205298. Does that sound like a kosher matrix number for a Columbia 78?

Possibly, for a 12" ethnic 78; the 10" matrix series had reached
113xxx by 1934, and the 20xxxx may have been the related 12" series.

Thanks. I find it somewhat unlikely that Mendelssohn partsongs would be
considered "ethnic", but I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they
were considered for marketing purposes way back when. I'll try to look
at the Spottswood book next chance I get to see if it helps date the

Well, the criterion for calling something "ethnic" is which demographic
label expected a disc to appeal to...and this was a German-oriented group
doing a work titled in German, so they probably figured German speakers
were most likely to buy it...

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