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[ARSCLIST] Fwd from Mike Biel: Re: [ARSCLIST] Rare early '30s ETs on eBay
(Forwarding this at Mike Biel's request. DL)
>> Sammy Jones wrote:
>>> Some posters on this list might want to take a look at the following link:
>>> Quite a few National Radio Advertisers discs of the Mirthquakers program
are being offered, as well as a set of Irresistible Imps
>>> programs. These are sets of 12-inch discs, and not 16-inch. I assume this
is just a little before 16-inch discs became
>>> the standard in radio recordings.
>>> Have these discs been in circulation before? Are there dubs available?
Thanks for the heads up on these. National Radio Advertising Co. was the first
company to syndicate radio programs after Amos 'n' Andy. Brunswick did their
recording, and Ross Laird's Brunswick Discography lists all the ones that were
in the files and in collectors' hands. The info on these 20 discs included a
lot that weren't in the book. There were several thousand NRACo discs made
between 1928 and 1932, and some are in circulation, but most have just
disappeared. A group of about 140 of them from an heir of one of the recording
engineers were discussed on the 78-L a week or so ago before the 78-L died.
Both Ross and I now have the list of these, and hopefully the collectors who
have these now will released the audio. Two of those discs are Sousa himself
conducting Victor Herbert's American Fantasy for the 1929 Bond Bread World
Tour. I'm trying to get this exciting info to Paul Bierley and the ailing Fred
Williams. Sousa's introduction and The Stars and Stripes Forever from this
program have been released in the past on several CD sets. Paul Bierley and
others have guessed incorrectly on where they were recorded, but the accurate
info is in Ross Laird's Brunswick discogramhy. The full story of the company
is noted there as well, and also in my dissertation. More info and photos (as
well as these discs) have come to light since both of these publications, and
perhaps I need to do another ARSC presentation on this.
These are the first Shilkret Novelties discs I've seen in circulation. I do
have a few later 16-inch discs from the Byers Lab. A few companies started to
use 16-inch 33s in late 1929, and for several years both sizes and speeds were
in use. The FRC rule requiring each separate record to be announced as being
recorded was a disadvantage to the companies using shorter 78 discs. It is fun
looking at the Bond Tour program announcements to see how Deems Taylor works in
the word "transcription" or "transcribed" in each introduction. Even Sousa
uses the word in his introduction!. By the time the rule was changed, the
move to 33 was already almost complete.
Quoting "joe@xxxxxxxxxxx" <jsalerno@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Did you also notice that they are offered singly, even tho a complete
> program, where that is available, spans several discs?
There were no complete Mirth Quaker programs, while there were two complete
Shilkret Novelty programs and one Imps program. Having the discs separate
would make the bidders more desperate! Indeed, the two complete Shilkret
programs were expensive!
David Lennick wrote:
>> Have you told Harlan? And Niel Shell needs to know about the Shilkrets.
Who's OTRJAMIE who has bids on a number of these? Drool.
As soon as I saw these I contacted Niel. Since he has the original metal
stampers for all but three discs in the whole series, he already had the
contents of the discs being offered. The fact that these discs actually came
from a radio station was the first confirmation he had that the programs
actually made it into distribution. That information alone was important to
him. While he said he didn't need to bid since he already had the recordings
in the metal parts, he was interested because one of the bidders
victortalkingmachine, was a friend of his. And now me, of course.
He mentioned that otrjamie was Australian, so I contacted an Australian friend
of mine who identified the bidder and said that he does not tend to put his
hoard into circulation. And that anybody thinking of outbidding him would have
to have VERY deep pockets. Thus I knew I was skunked out of any of the ones he
had already bid on. I dislike the fact that the OTR (Old Time Radio) hobby is
becoming captive of some hoarders with deep pockets. Niel emailed me that he
was sorry that I didn't get the one Shilkret disc that did not go to Australia,
but I replied that the other bidder deserved to win one because he had done
such a good job of making the Aussie pay.
With that in mind, I will be eventually putting dubs of the 12 discs I got in
the auction plus the other discs of National Radio Adv. Co. I already have in
circulation, but these things will take some time. Maybe I'll have Harlan do them.
And by the way, Steve Barr, I'm sorry I had to outbid you on that last disc,
but I had to try. Besides, I asked Niel to get you the discographical info on
the whole series if that is why you wanted the disc.
Mike Biel mbiel@xxxxxxx