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Re: [ARSCLIST] OTR online?
Most people,myself included,who have spent any amount of time digging through old records has come across acetates of complete radio shows (I have sold a few on eBay of "X Minus One"(An NBC show.),Jack Benny,and "Gang Busters".) that were recorded by radio stations at the time they were first broadcast.
I have a 33 1/3 "Victrolac" record somewhere(Like a "Program Transcription".) of a radio transcription RCA pressed for NBC,by Orson Welles National Political Action Committee.What would be the date on this?
--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Michael Biel <mbiel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Michael Biel <mbiel@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] OTR online?
> To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:39 PM
> Tom Fine wrote:
> > Most people take OTR to encompass old radio
> broadcasts, not playing of old records like Dismuke's
> internet-streaming show.
> > That said, do some surfing at archive.org because
> there are also many recordings of live band remote
> broadcasts, which were the common way a lot of music was
> broadcast back in the day. For many years, many radio
> stations would not play records over the air, for a number
> of reasons. This changed dramatically in the years after
> WWII. This was not a hard-fast rule, there were exceptions
> in both legitimate licensed broadcasting as well as pirate
> and off-shore broadcasting.
> You have confused radio stations with radio networks. It
> was the networks which did not allow the playing of
> recordings, not the stations. Almost every radio station
> played records and recordings in their local programming.
> I don't know where you got the idea that local stations
> did not air records and recordings. (The only notable local
> exceptions were WEAF, WJZ, and KPO until Oct 29, 1937 -- NBC
> was trying to keep their flagship stations
> "pure".) And what do you mean by "pirate and
> off-shore broadcasting"??? That didn't come about
> until the late 50s and mainly in Europe where there never
> was a prohibition against recordings in any country at any
> time. Earlier there were legit European stations in the
> 1930s like Radio Luxembourg and Radio Paris broadcasting
> commercial English language programs recorded in London back
> to England, but as I mentioned, no European station or
> national network prohibited recordings. Only in the U.S.
> were the networks that weird. And there were the Mexican
> border stations XER, XERA, etc in the 1930s, but as I said,
> there never were any prohibitions against local U.S.
> stations playing recordings so this was nothing unusual in
> that respect.
> As for those U.S. networks, Mutual never had that
> prohibition. It was only NBC and CBS. The NBC prohibition
> ended on Feb. 8, 1949 with memo #2-49-005 from Ken R. Dyke
> to NBC execs, and CBS probably also did so at around the
> same time. NBC had allowed some recorded repeats on their
> Pacific coast NBC Blue starting on June 22, 1939 to keep
> from losing a couple of kids programs. Jack Benny was
> included in this allowance for a year or so till they moved
> him back to Pacific Red. NBC made only two specific
> nationwide pre-war allowances . They allowed ONE airing on
> each network of an excerpt of the Hindenburg Disaster
> recording, and an hourly repeat of the early morning Prime
> Minister Chamberlain Declaration of War on Sept 3, 1939.
> Both CBS and NBC unknowingly aired 4 short recordings of
> King George VI's coronation ceremony when taking the BBC
> summary program at the end of the day, and NBC was furious
> when they discovered that Lowell Thomas had fed them via
> recordings an interview with the French Premier a few days
> after the coronation, and Queen Wilhelmina and Lord Baden
> Powell on July 31, 1937 instead of doing the interviews
> live. But that is the network, not local stations. By 1943
> NBC had said they would air war related recordings of
> importance, and did so for FDR's speech about North
> Africa, but they were very selective. They did air a few
> recordings on D-Day including George Hicks report from
> aboard a ship. All the networks started airing one-hour
> delayed programming for the non-Daylight Saving Time
> stations after the war, and this led to ABC (which had been
> NBC Blue before 1942) allowing Bing Crosby to pre-record and
> edit Philco Radio Time in 1946.
> > So, a show like Dismuke's probably wouldn't
> exist under the lexicon of OTR.
> But not for the reasons you gave.
> Mike Biel mbiel@xxxxxxxxx
> > By the way, in the perfect world, the major copyright
> owners (megaglomerate music companies) would happily and
> wholeheartedly fund a multi-hour weekly series for NPR
> hosted by Dismuke or someone like him highlighting all these
> gems from their vaults. The sponsorship annoucements could
> tell listeners to go to a special "store" at
> Amazon or the like to buy the reissue CD's of whatever
> is available in that format. This would take a different
> vault-management style than has been shown in recent years.
> > -- Tom Fine
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou
> Judson" <inaudio@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] OTR online?
> > Thanks Tom. Those are good, but what I really meant
> was more people
> > like Dismuke who program old music currently - with
> commentary and
> > the like...
> > <L>
> > Lou Judson • Intuitive Audio
> > 415-883-2689
> > On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
> >> There is a ton of stuff at www.archive.org. Search
> on old radio first to get a general listing, then get as
> specific as you like.
> >> Also, a listmember runs:
> >> www.oldtimeradioonmp3.com
> >> the sound quality level of his MP3 is very high.
> >> And of course Radio Spirits has a website.
> >> -- Tom Fine
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou
> Judson" <inaudio@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:12 PM
> >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] OTR online?
> >> I would love to have a listing of all the OTR
> links available. Been
> >> enjoying Dismuke, WAMU Hot Jazz Saturday Night,
> and would love to
> >> have links handy from our good radio people here!
> >> Thanks very much and Happy New Year - may it be a
> good one (not to
> >> mention better!),
> >> Lou