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Re: [ARSCLIST] Shelf stack (box) archiving of 10" 78rpm disks

I had zero luck, too. These are wooden cubes. I've always just walked into the stores and bought them. Sometimes they're in stock, sometimes not. Come to think of it, last time I bought any was over a year ago, so I sure hope they're not discontinued.

Another thing often obtained cheap at those stores is real-glass LP record frames. They were just on sale for $3 each last week. I've been known to buy a shot-to-hell LP if the sleeve is in good condition and one I want. The dollar bins at the Bop Shop in Rochester are always good sleeve fodder. Framed sleeves prove to be a nice decorative motif for the studio. I notice that Michael's also had for $3 CD frames, which have sections for the disc and the booklet cover.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stern" <sternth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shelf stack (box) archiving of 10" 78rpm disks

can you provide a link to the product description? Thanks! I could not find it at Michaels website; the a c moore link fails. Best wishes, Thomas.

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shelf stack (box) archiving of 10" 78rpm disks

Craft stores like Michael's and AC Moore sell wooden "LP shelf" units. They are made of pine, about 1/2" thick, and are extraordinarily strong. I have a whole wall of them. I found the best way to get a stable high stack was do 3x 2-shelf units, the a 3-shelf unit sideways on top, then 3x 2-shelf units. This wall is now 5-LP high not rickety at all. I only buy these units when I have a coupon from the penny-saver and I don't think I paid more than $10 for any one of them. Each shelf is about square, so figure that's 5 high by 3 wide 12" of horizontal each square, total of 15 horizontal feet for under $100. I have another large pile of these shelves in the studio for 10" tape boxes.

I have more LPs on a Home Despot metal shelf but it is non-ideal for a variety of reasons. I plan to
eventually migrate those LPs into another stack of wooden shelves and move the milk crates of 78's
and some tapes to the Home Despot shelf. CD's and 7" tapes are all in home-brew wooden shelves but I
need to make more due to a never-ending CD-buying affliction.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shelf stack (box) archiving of 10" 78rpm disks

From: Tom Fine <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Actually, a cheaper varient of the milk box is widely available at stores that cater to college
kids, maybe Ikea, too. The kids use them for shelving and storage, stacking them several-high in
dorm rooms. They are a cheap varient, at least the ones I've seen, with too much open space as
compared to the more closed (and thus stronger) sides and bottom of a real dairy crate.>

These store-bought plastic crates are usually much too flimsy for 78s. The sides will bend, and I wouldn't trust stacking them. The original fiberglass crates Steve has were designed to carry the heavy milk containers that are about as heavy as the records, so they are much more trustworthy, but harder to obtain legally. But the crates will work fine on shelves. The type of metal shelving I used to use has become impossible to find, so I have switched over to the Gorilla shelves that are sold in Sams Club. They're about $60 for a 5 shelf unit, 48-inches wide and 14-inches deep. They have a wood insert in a metal frame for each shelf, and do not use nuts and bolts, but are hammered together with bolts on the shelf frames going into keyholes ln the uprights. The similar shelves in Lowes are more expensive and not conveniently sized. Home Depot is a loss for me with nothing appropriate. But for lighterweight items, Lowes sells a great plastic shelf that is quite strong but really needs to be attached to the wall because it might start to sway. I use these for paper in file boxes. But the Gorilla shelves are perfect for putting boxes or crates of 78s in lieu of stacking. Each box is thus available without moving other boxes in a stack. If the boxes are laid on their sides, the records can be taken out without moving the boxes, and there is support each shelf foot.

But the ideal system is one that Tim Brooks and Rich Markow use, but it
was expensive.  They had specially built wooden squares that can be
stacked up as if they are shelves, but can be used for moving without
removing the contents.  A sliding lid can be made part of the box.  Rich
has his stacked about four and five high, and I think Tim has his at
about 8 high.  Both of these units -- and some of Steve Barr's milk
crates -- will be seen in Leah's documentary being shown at ARSC (and
thereafter will be available for purchase at a very reasonable price.) A
small part of my clutter is also shown, and you will love the visit to
David Lennick's warehouse spaces.  We didn't get to my warehouse, nor
did she put in any footage of the warehouse I used to have in New Jersey
20 years ago.  I think I will pull that out for the out-take session she
is doing before showing the production.  As we open the 10-foot high
creaking steel doors my mother can be heard saying in dismay, "When are
you going to start selling this stuff??"

Mike Biel mbiel@xxxxxxxxx

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