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- To: Multiple recipients of list BOOK_ARTS-L <BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Copyright-copywrite
- From: "Sandra J. Still" <libsjs@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:53:59 -0400
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Dear Mr. Starr:
I may be able to clear up some of the confusion based on my experience at
Crown. Outlet Book Company, which was owned by Crown Publishing had
many imprints (they never used Outlet on a book). Most of the imprint
names came from favorite restaurants or the various company
locations--Weathervane (restaurant), Avenel (warehouse location in NJ),
Park Lane (for Park Avenue--two office locations), Gramercy (near
Gramercy Park on Park and 18th), etc. Outlet was the promotional book
division and, as such, sold remainders, reprints (their own), and books
produced by packagers (mostly British). In 1988, Random House bought
Crown Publishing and all its divisions (Crown, Clarkson Potter, Harmony,
Orion, and Outlet).
Outlet is now known as Random House Value Publishing and has kept some,
but not all of its imprints. See more comments below.
Sandra J. Still, Ph.D. PHONE: 404-727-1061
Antiquarian/Out-of-Print Specialist FAX: 404-727-0053
Robert W. Woodruff Library, Emory University EMAIL: libsjs@xxxxxxxxx
Atlanta, Georgia 30322
On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, R Starr wrote:
> I just got a copy of "The complete encyclopedia of illustration"
> (Grammercy, 1996). It is a republication of the two volume 1851 book,
> "The Iconographic Encyclopaedia of Science, Literature, and Art" and has
> added editorial revisions and a plate indexed table of contents (12,000
> illustrations) that the dust jacket says are:
> "copyright free and clearly reproducible"
> The introduction says:
> "This edition, at the most modern level reproduces the entire
> body of plates by means of fine-line offset lithography, which will
> enable their most successful use by artists, designers, and others"
I remember the book and believe the material is all in the public domain
(with the 1851 original pub. date, there should be no problem).
> However, the above statements are contradicted by the copyright notice:
> "No part of this book may be reproduced or transmitted in any
> form or by any means electronic or mechanical including photocopying,
> recording, or by any information storage and retrieval system, without
> written permission in writing from the publisher."
This is Random House boilerplate.
> Things get more interesting when the actual copyright information is
> examined. It says:
> "Special material copyright c 1979 by Crown Publishers, Inc. All
> rights reserved under International and Pan American Copyright Convention."
This is because Crown owns RH Value and the Gramercy imprint.
> My assumption is that the special material is the index and other
> additions, not any of the actual illustrations and that the warning about
> reproduction is Grammercy's boiler plate and that they received
> authorization from Crown for the republication of that material.
You are exactly right. This is what they do to protect their own version
of public domain material. I once wrote the introduction for a book on
the railroad maps of North America that we had licensed from the
Smithsonian for that very reason. It had to fit exactly into a blank
spot so the film didn't have to be re-shot and no type had to be reset.
That was the "special material."
Confused? Join the club. >
> Does anyone have experience with whether or not the drawings are indeed
> public domain. What about any restrictions on any other published "clip
> art" manuals such as the Hart Picture Archives?
Should be okay, but you could always call Random House. Hope
this helps. Best, Sandra Still
> Comments appreciated.