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- Subject: Fw: goldleaf
- From: Don Guyot <colophon@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:02:25 -0700
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> From: Don Guyot <colophon@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: colophon@xxxxxxxxx; Book_Arts-L: The list for all the book arts!
> Subject: Re: goldleaf
> Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:01 AM
> Regarding my post about goldleaf....
> Apparently I misspoke about the rouge/armenian bole not being used
> the sheets of paper in gold books.
> I stand corrected, with my thanks to Ms Jackson and the good folks at
> And now to explain the confusion...chalk, or, more specifically, French
> Chalk is used by bookbinders, as myself, to dust the edges of books prior
> to gilding them to prevent their being stuck shut during the gilding
> process. Simply looks to meas though I got my chalk in the wrong place,
> for which I apologize.
> again, Sally, thanks
> don colopohon@xxxxxxxx
> > From: Don Guyot <colophon@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Book_Arts-L: The list for all the book arts!
> > Subject: Re: goldleaf
> > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:48 AM
> > 04.05.98
> > I add the following from my experience with gold leaf, for the record.
> > 1. Patent gold leaf is in no way inferior to sheet leaf, the
> > being that the gold is actually attached to a thin sheet of paper in
> > to allow its use by sign painters and sign gilders and others who must
> > outdoors. Sheet gold is absolutely intractible in even the slighest
> > as anyone who has worked with that material will attest. So, patent
> > is a variety of gold leaf, not a poor cousin to the <<real thing>>.
> > 2. Sheet gold is kept from attaching itself to the interleaving of the
> > books in which its is sold not by a dusting of armenian bole, which is
> > color of rust, which is what it is, iron oxide, also known as burnt
> > or russett, when it is sold as a pigment, but by chaulk, or talc.
> > 3. The talk is used, the chaulk is used because it is white and more
> > easily picked up after, should the bane of any gilder occur, spilling
> > of the dust onto the work in hand. Can you image doing the same with
> > pile of rust dropped onto a folio of uterine vellum--pure white unborn
> > skin. Yep!!!!
> > 4. Gold leaf is also sold by color, as, Lemon Gold, Pale Gold, Extra
> > Deep, Double Deep and probably a few I have forgotten. Hey, give me a
> > break! Colored gold is made by adding to it varying quantities of
> > metals (silver, copper, etc) before it is beaten into sheets of single
> > of double thickness, which is a modern distinction, and one not known
> > throughout MOST of the 19th Century, at least among bookbinders and
> > illuminators.
> > 5. Incidentally, I have known sign painters who called patent gold
> > gold" becasue they used it for the lettering on the glass doors in real
> > old-time office buildings, like those peopled by the Mickey Spilaines
> > the world, and a few attorneys, dentists, doctors, collection agents
> > whomever else. They used it in this application because the door,
> > attatched to the opening it closed, bore the surface on which they were
> > impelled to work in a vertical aspect, not horizontal as with
> > and illuminators and calligraphers.
> > And that's the truth, as Lily Tomlin used to say!!!
> > don guyot colophon@xxxxxxxxx
> > ----------
> > > From: norman kretzmann <nk25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: goldleaf
> > > Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 9:57 AM
> > >
> > > I've always wondered exactly what constituted the differences
> > > goldleaf between, say the XX Regular, the XX Glass (selected for
> > > gilding, I know), and the XX Patent, when they're all 23karet?
> > > Barbara Kretzmann