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Archival: Inkjet versus Laser



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I don't really think that Alan Hayes and I really disagree all that much. If
anything, he is more complete while I was in a hurry (rushing off on another
business trip). His comments are completely valid and valuable, as are the
other informed responses to this topic.

I also mentioned, albeit somewhat cryptically, that other ink vendors are
available. And the comments about the paper being equally important are, of
course, completely true. I was making comments about the commonly available
vendor-branded supplies. It's annoying to run out of supplies and have to
mail-order, web-order, what have you to get more. Most people just want to
run to the nearest office supply outlet. As such, the more archival products
tend to remain niche products.

The Epson web site has good information about their products, and the 2000P
is the recently announced printer that claims a 200 year life span.

As a photographer I've been following the debate on archival materials for a
few decades. A difference between photo archival and inkjet archival is
stunning. Where the photo community is annoyed by 70+ years fade resistance
on color prints (there are better, this is just a quick example), some
inkjets didn't last two months in the sunlight.

As a matter of fact, inkjet technology has been stunningly bad in the
archival department as a general rule. The benefit is that this concentrated
research and demand for longer lasting prints. If regular inkjets had
lasted, say, 30 years on average who among us would have particularly
noticed? The 2000P announcement shows that technology is being marshaled
that otherwise probably wouldn't have been considered feasible.  By the way,
I think some of the preceding comments were lifted from a photo magazine,
but I couldn't find it to check it out. Sorry about any plagiarized
thoughts.

Wilhelm is the guru who brought the whole problem to the industry's
attention. He is amazing, one of the few people who can say they have turned
around an entire industry.

I believe I read that some ink used in some brands of inkjets does have a
fairly unique quality: the dark-fading rate is almost as high as the
daylight exposed prints. So even in a dark drawer there is a problem.

I would much rather argue that Satan is the real son of God than to argue
with some photography pundits about archival standards. I would have a
better chance of my opponents listening without prejudice. (For those
concerned about the above comment, I am not actually advancing any religious
opinion, so don't send me anything about it. And when did I start feeling
the need to state the obvious on the net?)

I second the recommendation of http://home.att.net/~arwomack01/ as a
resource. It contains most of what I would have pointed out to people, plus
some things I didn't know about.

The real key is what the intended use of a product is. The 70+ years of the
newer Epson printers, much less the 200 years of the 2000P, is really only a
problem for artists that continuously display work. Electronic media (disks,
tape, CDs, etc.) also has archival questions that need to be sorted out. I
just hope I'm lucky enough to produce some work that people care about
enough to want to last that long.

David

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>I =
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more=20
complete while I was in a hurry (rushing off on another business trip). =
His=20
comments are completely valid and valuable, as are the other informed =
responses=20
to this topic.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>I also =
mentioned,=20
albeit somewhat cryptically, that other ink vendors are available. And =
the=20
comments about the paper being equally important are, of course, =
completely=20
true. I was making comments about the commonly available vendor-branded=20
supplies. It's annoying to run out of supplies and have to mail-order,=20
web-order, what have you to get more. Most people just want to run to =
the=20
nearest office supply outlet. As such, the more archival products tend =
to remain=20
niche products.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>The =
Epson web site=20
has good information about their products, and the 2000P is the recently =

announced printer that claims a 200 year life span. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>As a =
photographer=20
I've been following the debate on archival materials for a few decades. =
A=20
difference between photo archival and inkjet archival is stunning. Where =
the=20
photo community is annoyed by 70+ years fade resistance on color prints =
(there=20
are better, this is just a quick example), some inkjets didn't last two =
months=20
in the sunlight. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>As a =
matter of fact,=20
inkjet technology has been stunningly bad in the archival department as =
a=20
general rule. The benefit is that this concentrated research and demand =
for=20
longer lasting prints. If regular inkjets had lasted, say, 30 years on =
average=20
who among us would have particularly noticed? The 2000P announcement =
shows that=20
technology is being marshaled that otherwise probably wouldn't have been =

considered feasible.&nbsp; By the way, I think some of the preceding =
comments=20
were lifted from a photo magazine, but I couldn't find it to check it =
out. Sorry=20
about any plagiarized thoughts.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D595290300-18072000>Wilhelm is the guru=20
who brought the whole problem to the industry's attention. He is =
amazing, one of=20
the few people who can say they have turned around an entire industry.=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>I =
believe I read=20
that some ink used in some brands of inkjets does have a fairly unique =
quality:=20
the dark-fading rate is almost as high as the daylight exposed prints. =
So even=20
in a dark drawer there is a problem.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>I =
would much rather=20
argue that Satan is the real son of God than to argue with some =
photography=20
pundits about archival standards. I would have a better chance of my =
opponents=20
listening without prejudice. (For those concerned about the above =
comment, I am=20
not actually advancing any religious opinion, so don't send me anything =
about=20
it. And when did I start feeling the need to state the obvious on the=20
net?)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>I =
second the=20
recommendation of <A=20
href=3D"http://home.att.net/~arwomack01/">http://home.att.net/~arwomack01=
/</A>&nbsp;as=20
a resource. It contains most of what I would have pointed out to people, =
plus=20
some things I didn't know about.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D595290300-18072000>The =
real key is what=20
the intended use of a product is. The 70+ years of the newer Epson =
printers,=20
much less the 200 years of the 2000P,&nbsp;is really only a problem for =
artists=20
that continuously display work. Electronic media (disks, tape, CDs, =
etc.) also=20
has archival questions that need to be sorted out. I just hope I'm lucky =
enough=20
to produce some work that people care about enough to want to last that=20
long.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D595290300-18072000>David</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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