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Re: [BKARTS] Off List Replies and Bruce Levy Lay flat Binding



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In respose to the reply below.  I am not hesitant at all to replying to any questions on the K118, including details that may have been refined in the last few years.  Ask me specifics after you familiarize yourself with the structure.  I would love others to experience the K118, but I don't want to waste my time.  If the article brings you up to a point, I will willingly help from that point. Why should I repeat myself.
     You know, the more that one pays to receive information, the more one will value it, and I don't necessarily mean with money.  I never received a cent for the videos that were made by the GBW of my Standards presentation on rebacking, which have been selling for years, and this is the first time I mention it- but to my way of thinking, things have been bass-akwards in this field for some time.  But as I said I am ALWAYS there to answer questions.
     I wrote the articles to provide free information.  My objections have nothing to do with hiding the structure.  Just remember where it came from, and please think twice before giving workshops on it.  In fact, I have no objection to workshops given by someone else if they know what they're talking about, and attribute the research and development properly- which may have been the case in the first place but I was never notified about articles and workshops given, and only came across the info by accident, and the reporting thereof, I found, was significantly flawed, eg. the GBW newsletter that announced Mr. Buckley's workshop, and the subsequent review of it and the structure.
     There is no information that I have that I wouldn't freely give to a sincere student of the book,  but I will avoid some people's thirst for self promotion.  It's how I feel.

sincerely,

Bruce Levy
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheri Hamilton <info@FRASERBASIN.BC.CA>
Date:         Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:45:22 -0700
To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject:      Re: [BKARTS] Off List Replies and Bruce Levy Lay flat Binding


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>  Stone Eye - An Exhibition of the Midwest Chapter, Guild of Book Workers
>   For information about the exhibition, and to order your catalog, see
>   <http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw/mwchap/specialevent2.shtml>
>              ***********************************************
>
> I would agree with the second point made here - I too would like to see the
> answers to the questions.  I live in Vancouver, to order any publication
> from the US is a very significant investment - I will do it if I KNOW it is
> worth it, but I will not risk the money otherwise.
>
> Cheri
>
> > From: Ben Wiens <ben@BENWIENS.COM>
> > Reply-To: "Book_Arts-L: READ THE FAQ at http://www.philobiblon.com"
> > <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:24:40 -0700
> > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Off List Replies and Bruce Levy Lay flat Binding
> >
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> > Stone Eye - An Exhibition of the Midwest Chapter, Guild of Book Workers
> > For information about the exhibition, and to order your catalog, see
> > <http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw/mwchap/specialevent2.shtml>
> > ***********************************************
> >
> > Hi everyone:
> >
> > I too am extremely interested in various lay flat bindings. I would
> > appreciate anyone sharing information on this topic both historical and
> > modern. More and more people seem to be wanting a lay flat binding. I think
> > this is largely because hardcover lay flat type bindings have almost
> > disappeared and people are getting frustrated with typical hard to open
> > books that have taken their place. About the Bruce Levy lay flat bindings.
> > Would it be stepping on anyone's toes by mentioning roughly how this lay
> > flat binding is made or at least what class it is in? I have already
> > researched many different styles of lay flat binding for my own book
> > production but they are not all to my liking. There also seems to be some
> > disagreement on the term lay flat. I use it for any binding which allows the
> > book block "spine" to curve substantially when the book is opened with
> > little or no damage to the book. For example here are some of the types of
> > lay flat binding:
> >
> > PAGE FIXING:
> > Mechanical...using holes in pages like Wire-O or coil
> > Flexible glue...usually single sheets glued at edges
> > Sewn...signatures sewn with thread
> >
> > COVERS:
> > Openback hardcover...typical quality hardcover with sewn or flexible glue
> > Openback softcover...like Otabind and RepKover or cloth and plastic cover
> > Tightback hardcover...like old style leather bindings glued to book block
> > spine
> > Tightback softcover...like tape binding
> >
> > I noticed on this list server that to prevent everyone getting a large
> > amount of e-mail, people mostly people reply off list to questions. On
> > another list server I am on, people complained about excessive e-mail and
> > now replies are automatically routed only to the person asking the question.
> > That list server has gotten pretty useless for me, because I just see a lot
> > of e-mail with questions, and no answers. It is only useful for the odd
> > announcement e-mail. Too bad the Book Arts List Server is not a regular
> > newsgroup system. In this case people make a point of replying only to the
> > newsgroup unless the reply is very personal. In a newsgroup you only
> > download the messages that you want to see details of after reading the
> > subject header. I learn a lot by quickly scanning through thousands of
> > answers.
> >
> > I personally would like to see the answers to most of questions raised on
> > this list server. Is this not what others want? Don't get me wrong, I really
> > appreciate when people reply to my questions on or off list, but I just also
> > want to see the other answers too.
> >
> > There seems to be a trend on this list server to point someone in the
> > direction of a publication to buy without mentioning any details of what is
> > in them. If you live in the United States, this might be fine, but is not so
> > nice for people living outside. A publication like the US$23 one which
> > describes the K118 structure sometimes ends up being US$5-10 more for
> > shipping outside the US, brokerage fees as high as US$20 if you can't
> > specify a shipper, taxes, and fees for collecting the taxes, added to the
> > bill. Added to this the weakness of other currencies, this ends up making
> > for a book that would be equivalent to people in the USA paying up to
> > several times more for the same thing. So some of us would not want to buy
> > something from abroad without knowing pretty much if the subject matter was
> > very worthwhile to us. I also am mentioning this because such border issues
> > are a major cause of reduced book commerce and information sharing in the
> > world I believe. Buying books and other goods through Amazon.com for example
> > is different because Amazon.com is very large and so can ship their goods
> > enmass through the Canadian border and certain other borders and then ship
> > within that country.
> >
> > Ben Wiens...applied energy scientist
> > Ben Wiens Energy Science Inc.
> > E-mail: ben@benwiens.com
> > Energy Website: www.benwiens.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Howdy,
> > I recently asked about a book structure that would open flat and got, among
> > others, a response from Mr. Levy on his K118 structure. He pointed me to his
> > contribution to "Conservation and Preservation of Humanities Research
> > Collections" (ISBN #0-87959-109) wherein he describes the K118 structure.
> > You
> > should be able to get this publication, as did I, from the Harry Ransom
> > Humantites Research Center, 512-471-8944. The cost for the publication was
> > 23
> > including priority shipping. I called them on Tuesday and got the item on
> > Thursday.
> >
> > The article is descriptive but not tutorial. So if you are inexperienced at
> > bookbinding as am I you might need additional help in implementing this
> > structure. I e-mailed Mr. Levy off list asking for addition information on
> > how
> > to implement this structure and he was unwilling to provide such assistance
> > because he was concerned with the inappropriate use of his intellectual
> > property.
> >
> > If you find any implementation information on this structure I would
> > appreciate
> > it if you would be willing to share such.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rober Huber
> >
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