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Re: [BKARTS] conservation job at Harvard-look at history

I think education and experience are both important. But when education
plays a bigger part than experience or practical ability then we have
problems as a society. Education is like "make belief" until the theory is
put into practice.

It was reported already in the 1930s in Germany (who were leaders in
academics and science at that time) that you needed a Masters degree just to
teach high school. So in the "new worlds" like North America we are just
catching up to European thinking now. It is always hard to find the

In my study of energy efficiency I also study the efficiency of people at
work. Many friends I made in the local outdoor clubs had advanced degrees.
It appeared that the average age when these people finished university was
about age 30. About 5 years was required after this in training, and five
years for finding a decent job for a PhD degree. Typically these people
started their first real paying job at about age 40 if they were lucky. Of
course there are more jobs in the US, but this is the experience in Canada
and many other small countries. In many fields I've worked in, people over
the age of 50 are considered too old for the job, so most of these highly
trained people at that age are let go or retire. This results in 34 years of
training and looking for work vs 10 years of truly productive work. This is
not very efficient as a society. Of course not everyone in society reaches a
PhD but is this where we are headed?

Ben Wiens...applied energy scientist
Ben Wiens Energy Science Inc.
8-1200 Brunette Ave. Coquitlam BC V3K1G3 Canada
E-mail: ben@benwiens.com
Energy Website: http://www.benwiens.com
Read my popular web-booklet "Energy Science Made Simple"

-----Original Message-----
Well, in a way it's good that institutions hire the people that they give
"formal training" to, because in more cases than not they would not survive
in the private sector.  How many "formally trained" conservators are making
a good living in their field, and not employed by an institution. It keeps
them off the street.  Though I could be wrong, my guess is that most
sucessful private practice conservators came through apprenticeships- where
much work passed through their hands.  As opposed to formally trained people
whose primary bench work consisted of a few treatments over the span of 9-12
months during an internship.
     When I worked for a large institution it took some people two months to
perform a treatment that should have taken a few days in the private sector.
Only an institution can justify paying saleries to these people.  Again,
just my observations.

Bruce Levy

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