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Re: [BKARTS] Printing for eternity

 I am new to this list.  I run a Kolbus casemaker at a small run book
printing company.  For my own personal amusement I have begun dabbling in
making books from unusual materials (i.e. plant materials, small containers,
etc.) Introduction now done, here is my two cents on this subject.

I thought the idea of using offset printing plates was interesting.  I spoke
with our pressman about it, and he said there was no reason you couldn't cut
the plates to whatever size you wanted them and drill holes for the binding.
I am picturing a binding like some picture albums have (sorry, I don't know
what it is called) with a plate on the bottom and posts affixed to it.  A
top plate slides on last over the pages and secures them.  Perhaps using
diamond plate aluminum pieces for covers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Palmer" <cpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: Printing for eternity

> A friend and I were discussing "printing for eternity" so to speak. That
> he is thinking of printing "books" that are intended to be stored in time
> capsules, mausoleums, etc for thousands of years, perhaps to be read once
> every century. "Think Dead Sea Scrolls" he says.
> His approach is to use aluminum foil pages and emboss the letters into the
> foil with some sort of heavy dot matrix printer. Then he would bind the
> using thicker aluminum covers with Chicago posts to hold together the
> aluminum foil pages.
> He realises that paper will last many centuries but cannot control storage
> conditions and believes there is too much chance paper will decompose in
> humid conditions. Besides, he is concerned about the ink sticking to the
> paper over the long term.
> My comments were that
> 1. Aluminum foil is not all that stable in the long run. Aluminum does
> corrode, particularly in the presence of salt water. I am concerned that
> would become very brittle over time.(Gold would be too pricey, however!)
> 2. It would not stand up to any amount of handling, pages that are
> would be  too thin and subject to tearing and creasing. He says its only
> intended to be read once a century or so.
> 3. Chicago posts would be a source of stress and cracking over time, same
> problem with stresses where the type is embossed into the page.
> 4. I suggested stable plastics such as Mylar and Tyvek, but he thinks ink
> will come off.  And, of course, is mylar stable and flexible for 10,000
> years?
> 5. I have suggested using aluminum offset printing plates. Letters are
> etched on the plate and readable.  Would the etching last a long time?
> Perhaps the reader could be provided with instructions on a simple way to
> take a print from an offset plate?
> 6. Are there binding systems available to bind and store offset plates? Do
> offset plates come in small sizes , that is the size of a single book
> Has anyone worked with this idea of printing for eternity? Are there any
> printing companies or even individual artists thinking about this?
> The only thing I have found is
> http://www.norsam.com/rosetta.html
> who are making a micro-etched metal plates to store hundreds of pages on a
> disk, using ion- beams and photo-lithography.
> Any ideas, comments or suggestions would be very much appreciated...
> Chris
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                       Spring[binding]Hath Sprung
         Worldwide Springback Bind-O-Rama and Online Exhibition
            Full information at <http://www.philobiblon.com>
                   ENTRY DEADLINE -- September 1, 2004

      Book_Arts-L FAQ and Archive at: <http://www.philobiblon.com>

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