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Re: [BKARTS] photopolymer negatives

Hi Marnie

Yeah, rejoin


Things are changing a bit, and relatively recently. Film will become more and more fugitive. But unfortunately, this applies to anything you can do on your laser or inkjet as well as with an imaging center (aka service bureau). No fear though, we will find a way.



I almost didn't reply to the list, but it seems that this is not so
peripheral to book arts...

Thanks for your very informative reply. I am hoping that someone is able
to find a way to produce good negs on a new laser or ink jet printer.
There is only ONE of the old school service bureaus left in our area
since all litho is heading toward going straight to plate and skipping
the film. The negatives are getting more and more costly.

I have a background in alternative photo techniques, and love working in
all the manners that you have described-- I bet we could have a lot of
fun together! However, I'm really trying to find an affordable,
accessible way to produce high quality, dependably dense negatives. If I
knew what printer to buy, I'd buy it and some high quality transparency
film (like Epson's good stuff or Pictorico)... But alas, it seems that
only the older ink jet printers are capable of doing the job.... Hmmmm.

Sigh. I guess I'll have to rejoin the photopolymer list-- a great list
as well!

Thanks again,


Marnie Powers-Torrey
Studio Manager I Instructor
295 South 1500 East
Book Arts Program
J. Willard Marriott Library
Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0860
-----Original Message-----
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Inge Bruggeman
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:46 AM
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Subject: [BKARTS] photopolymer negatives

I guess I'll respond to this on list -

Hi Marnie,

I use all kinds of film material for making p. plates:

- For fine typographic work I use output from a service bureau, although
service bureau is the old term that produces  linotronic output, now I
go to a business that uses a digital film printer and they don't tend to
call them service bureaus anymore - at least around my area. I'm hoping
that soon there may be less expensive printers that do film output for
individuals to afford. A service bureau or business that does digital
film output should all be able to set there machines to a proper
negative/film density.

- I also have used copy cameras in the past with ortho/litho film and
developed myself, this is great if you've got access to one.

- Photocopies on acetate are great to use, but the toner density is not
very dark, so it's more of an experimental process. You can set the
machine to really dark which helps, but you can also do two of the exact
same copy and line them up - doesn't always work though if you don't get
it lined up properly.

- Laser prints, etc. are similar - there is a product called 'Laser
Buddy' that you can spray on to darken up toner areas. It works great,
but is tres toxic.

- You can even use text/image that is on regular old copy paper and oil
it with veg. oil and get some interesting affects.

There are lots of other experimental techniques for blocking light, but
I think I'm getting off of your question.

If you are having problems with getting negatives from a business that
outputs film - you should try switching businesses if you can - they
should be able to set their machines to the appropriate density. As for cost it is $15 for me to get an 8.5 x 11" sheet of film made -
I've seen it fluctuate up or down a few dollars, but it's usually about
the same and has been pretty consistent here for many years.

Hope that helps. You could also look on the photopolymer list group
archives, it's a yahoo group and there's lots of good info there.


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Inge Bruggeman
1017 SE 34th Avenue
Portland, OR  97214

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