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Re: [BKARTS] Telling of the Book Arts World

While it is _always_ possible that I'm wrong and having a senior moment, in this case I don't think so. Here's what my dictionary pulled up:

stationer |ˈstā sh (ə)nər| |ˌsteɪʃ(ə)nər| |ˌsteɪʃ(ə)nə|
a person or store selling paper, pens, and other writing and office materials.
ORIGIN Middle English (in the sense [bookseller] ): from medieval Latin stationarius ‘tradesman (at a fixed location, i.e., not itinerant).’ Compare with stationary .


On Jan 20, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Signa Houghteling wrote:

Dear Sally,

I find your arguments very interesting and lucid, except that I don't think
"stationer" comes from "stationary" (meaning immobile. Stationary stationer?


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I have looked over the posts on this subject, and I have the following thoughts:

On Jan 17, 2006, at 5:27 PM, jessica syme wrote:

it is the intent of the artist that must be the most important factor.

I disagree. I think some question of quality, however subjective that
may be, has to enter into the equation at some point, regardless of
the intent of the person who created the item in question. Koko the
gorilla paints. Is that art? Chimpanzees, given paint and brushes,
will paint rocks and other things in their environment. Art? These
are our closest relatives, and it is certainly possible that they
have an aesthetic sense, so perhaps I can't say that their efforts
aren't art. Somehow, though, I balk at regarding a painted rock as art.

The more examples the world has of religious passion translated into
art, the more chance it has of redirecting its current channels of
revenge and rage.

Maybe. But as I look at the evidence of written history I find that
almost every conflict was  generated by or justified by religion. The
most ghastly atrocities have been visited upon mankind in the name of
religion. Are not prayers said on both sides in Iraq or in any other
arena in which there is conflict? I don't think a paint brush or a
book press or a boad nib pen would erase conflict. Maybe. But I
personally don't believe it would.

James Pepper wrote

You can see this in the book of Kells when they tried to finish the
unfinished pages and they never matched the work of the chief scribe,
because  the vision was with him.

The Book of Kells was the work of many hands, not just one scribe or
illuminator, cf. Francoise Henry among others.

The  Saint John's bible was first laid out on a computer with a font
scrolled  throughout the layout program

What is wrong with making layouts on a computer? If you believe that
scribes in the 4th century wouldn't have availed themselves of modern
technology, had it been available to them, you should do some more
research. This was absolutely not an ivory tower life. Frequently, it
wasn't very comfortable. I would commend to you _Medieval
Calligraphy_ by Marc Drogin. It is easy to read and informative. It
might give you a different concept of medieval scribes and their lives.

And if you look at other illuminated  manuscripts of the Bible made in
the past few centuries, you will find the  passion of the artist as
they made
their works, usually by themselves, as  an expression of their faith
in the
calligraphy and the illuminations as  they did both.

Actually, scribes and rubricators and illuminators were different
individuals. These books were not the work of single individuals. You
have only to look at some of the half finished manuscripts to realize
that. Look at some of the examples in Donald Jackson's History of
Calligraphy or Chris De Hamel's History of Illuminated Manuscripts.
You will see finished lettering, half finished gilding or finished
drawing with finished gilding and half finished painting. After the
scribe had finished his or her work the pages were given to the
rubricators then to the gilders and finally to the painters. There
was definitely a division of labor.

So Sally if someone took  a  Midsummer Nights Dream and used
calligraphy and illustrated it, that would not  be art, because
Shakespeare already
printed it?

I don't understand why this copying would not be art when your
copying is. Can you explain? Or have I misunderstood?

  During the middle ages a master scribe  would make a Bible book that
would be unique, their expression of their  faith. It took a while,
the Bible is a
big thing and they would not do  it unless they were inspired.

This is quite simply untrue. Again, I recommend _Medieval Calligraphy
- or perhaps several of David Diringer's books.

What is wrong with people being motivated by faith to make art?

Absolutely nothing at all. However, all art is _not_ produced by
faith. And all objects produced by faith based actions are not art,
nor are they beautiful.  There is a saying in Texas, you can put your
boots in the oven, but that doesn't make them biscuits!

  The idea that monks were bored  out of their minds and stupid is
just a
part of this same type of  sentiment. Go over to the Morgan and take
a  good look at the
manuscripts there and then tell me you think they were dumb and
mindless and
incapable of knowing what is Art.

Nobody - absolutely nobody - has said that the monastic scribes were stupid, dumb or mindless! Certainly they were literate as most of the populace was not.

These are not Bibles they are small books  made by individuals for
the art market, sound familiar?

No, they weren't made for the "art market" for that didn't exist. And here I think you shot down your own argument that illuminated manuscripts were produced from the passion of the maker(s). Patron = employer = work for hire, not a standalone creation made out of "artistic passion."

By at least the time of the Renaissance the book production by
monasteries was a dead or dying practice. By that period in history
the vast majority of books, illuminated or not, were produced by
commercial scribes. These itinerant scribes traveled from place to
place to produce their products, i.e., books. Eventually they settled
down and became stationery, giving rise to our word "stationer."
Books, even illuminated manuscripts, have been commercial products
for hundreds of years. (c.f. _The Book before Printing_ by David

As an aside, the earliest illuminated book I am aware of is a first
century copy of, I believe, Virgil in the Vatican Library. There are
a few decorated letters but no borders. That was a later development.

A friend of mine, a noted calligrapher himself, said in an email to
me today,

I'm not going to let you lure me into a deliberation about art and
craft.  It's like trying to nail a pie to the wall.  All you'll get
me to say is that the nomenclature is rightly the problem of the
onlooker, not the calligrapher.

In other words, if John  Smith looks at a book or a calligraphic work
and declares it to be of very poor quality, and Jane Smith,
alternatively, judges the same work to be exceptionally beautiful,
each is correct. Or so it would seem, according to my friend, whose
judgment is generally sound. Note that, if my friend is correct, it
is not for the maker of the object in question, to judge his or her
work as beautiful not as art.

I think, in considering my work over the past 30 years, the most I
would be willing to say of it was that some of it was decent. The
nicest compliment anyone ever paid me was the time Dick Beasley
looked at a piece of my calligraphy which had a painting accompanying
it and said, breathlessly, "Wow!." That will delight me forever.

Sally Jackson

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