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Re: [BKARTS] Looking for Mohawk Superfine Alternative
You are correct that Mohawk Superfine was not made for inkjet printing. And,
no I am not using the Superfine Digital paper or Superfine Indigo. Just the
standard Superfine that commercial printers use.
In fact, I have found the Superfine to produce very nice inkjet prints that
are quite close in quality to printing on Epson consumer level inkjet
papers. The key here is which printer is used to print on the Superfine, or
other uncoated paper. You are a fine photographer and I'm guessing that you
print using an Epson printer with UltraChrome inks and you would be correct
in stating that your prints on Mohawk were not acceptable. UltraChrome inks
generally look terrible on anything but true ceramic-coated inkjet paper.
However, the Epson C80 line of printers use DuraBrite inks that are
specifically formulated for printing on uncoated papers. These inks are
encapsulated to prevent soaking into the paper surface and tend to produce
terrific results on uncoated, commercial printing papers. The beauty of the
DuraBrite inks is that one can avoid the $.50 to $1.00 per page for ink jet
paper. I order my Mohawk Superfine directly from a printing paper merchant
and pay about $.10 per page. My C80 inks cost about $.25 per page to print.
When creating artist books with 60-100 pages printed on two sides the cost
of true inkjet papers can be prohibitive.
Further, in my opinion that ceramic coating on most inkjet papers really
just does not function well inside a book. The pages are too fragile and the
ceramic coating is sort of powdery and just does not allow the pages to move
Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a rant here. But I felt the need to
defend the use of Mohawk in inkjet printing. A lot of my friends are
professional photographers (as am I) and I am constantly trying to counter
the snobbery they seem to have toward anything printed on less than a $1,200
printer with $1.00 paper and then $1.50 per page ink costs. There are places
where this investment is necessary and the results are unmistakably
But there are also times when it is okay to step down to a different level
of expectations. My customers buy my books because they are beautifully
produced and they frankly don't care how much I spent on the materials. They
care how the book looks and how it functions, and more importantly they care
how the concept of the book connects with them on a personal level. I prefer
to keep my costs as low as possible to keep my books accessible to more
buyers. Not everyone can afford to buy a book that has to cost $600 because
of high materials costs.
Many book artists these days are using the Epson C80 line of printers and
uncoated papers and I'd love to hear more input on this from anyone out
there. So, how about it gang? What have your experiences been on the C80
line? Are you using inkjet papers or uncoated papers? How are the results?
Are you encountering any negative feedback about your quality?
Personally, I have only one complaint, as mentioned in my previous email and
that is the curling problem on the Superfine paper. With testing, I?m
confident that I can solve this problem. And, by the way, thank you to
everyone who has responded to my initial query. I?ve ordered samples of all
your suggestions and I?ll post the results.
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:33:42 -0500
From: dennis/marsico <marsico@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Looking for Mohawk Superfine Alternative
Mohawk Superfine is a wonderful paper for letterpress but was not made for
inkjet printing. It sounds like you have been using the Superfine Digital
or Superfine Indigo for your ink jet printing, both were coated papers
designed for use in the HP Indigo Digital Press (a commercial laser
printer). These papers have been replaced with Superfine I-tone, a paper
that has the "sizing" in the paper rather than a coating. However none of
the Mohawk Superfine papers were designed for inkjet printing. I did a
of Mohawk papers (they are considerably cheaper) and found the color gamut
On 1/23/06 8:18 PM, "Kevin Thomas" <ktbooks77@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> As has been recommended on this list I have been printing with an Epson
> printer and absolutely love the quaility of prints that I get for my
> However, lately the Mohawk Superfine paper that I have been using has
> curling a lot for some reason. I've heard that Mohawk changed this paper
> recently and this curling problem seems to be one fo the results of that
> Can anybody recommend another uncoated commercial printing paper that
> use in the Epson C80 (or C86 or whatever) that produces as nice results
> without the curl?
> I really like the Mohawk because it is so much cheaper to use and gives
> almost matching results to Epson matte inkjet papers. The Mohawk also
> so much better in books than ink jet papers. That powdery, ceramic
> of most ink jet papers is annoying.
> Any ideas of different papers to avoid the curl?
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