Re: [BKARTS] PraGnant --- comments

[Bill Minter <wminter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

While I can see a small advantage to the PraGant (although I have not  
used one), I would wonder why spend the money on a machine that is so  
limited. The same comments apply to the KwikPrint.
In my business, I have encountered the standard projects, such as  
stamping the cover of a book and a small, one-line label. On other  
occasions there is a need to stamp a multiple-line title. I also  
encounter stamping dies of all sizes, even ones that are 5" x 7" and  
larger. I have also been called upon to stamp a name on the front  
cover of a bound book. The Kensol 36T has met all of my needs.
As Peter says, the PraGant allows you to "see what you're doing". I  
agree that seeing the work is important. For that, I use a jig --- a  
Force, as called by Bill Anthony, my mentor. The Force allows me to  
see everything that is happening with the work, very accurately. A  
description of a Force should be available in the archives.
Bill Minter


On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Peter D. Verheyen wrote:
> ps. The big advantage is that you can see what you're doing in much  
> the same way you look at a monitor... No big parts to look around  
> and very easy to adjust.
>
> Setting a consistent depth/pressure is also easy and can be set.  
> There are limitations as with all things. Also no multi-line  
> pallets like for the Kwikprint/Kensol and dies that don't fit in  
> the hand-holdable typleholder are also out.


On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:42 PM, James Welker wrote:

> Dave;
> I own a Kwikprint with the largest typeholder they make and I've  
> used it a great deal.  However, when I was studying with Edwin Heim  
> at the Centro del bel Libra in Ascona, Switzerland, I used a  
> PraGnant.  I felt it was far superior to my Kwikprint in a great  
> many ways.  Perhaps it is that I learned to use my Kwikprint by  
> self-instruction and I have never had anyone teach me what can be  
> done on the Kwikprint.  You're right about the price though.  It is  
> quite a bit more than twice the price of the Kwikprint.  Whether  
> the extra things that can be done on the PraGnant is worth that  
> kind of money is certainly open to debate.  I know that Richard  
> Baker in St. Louis uses a PraGnant and he does very fine work.   
> Perhaps he could speak to the advantages and disadvantages of this  
> piece of equipment.
>
> Jim
>
> > James,
> > When I looked into the pricing on this machine it was twice as  
> > expensive
> > as a kwikprint and harder to setup. Is there a reason anyone would  
> > bring
> > one in from Germany?
> > Dave
>
> > James Welker wrote:
> > > I am looking at buying PraGnant foil titling machine.  It's a bit  
> > > pricey
> > > shipped from Germany.  Before I do that, is there anyone on the  
> > > list who
> > > knows of a used machine that might be for sale.  You may answer  
> > > off list.
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > > Jim

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