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Re: [ARSCLIST] J Folksay records label vs. Stinson records
I believe It is incorrect to describe Stinson as Moses Asch's label.
The Stinson Trading Company which distributed Asch & Disc, was a
creditor of Asch, and received some of the Asch/Disc masters in the
bankruptcy settlement. Those masters were NOT available to Folkways
(Moe Asch's new label after the Disc collapse) nor Smithsonian Folkways,
which acquired the Folkways assets from Moe Asch's estate (after another
affiliation - some company
in New Jersey, might have been Scholastic?? which was unable to
properly care for the label).
Disc went bankrupt in 1947, before the advent of the Lp. Stinson
released Asch and Disc 78's masters using the Stinson label with the old
catalog numbers (still on 78).
In the early 50's, Lp's displaced 78rpm recordings, Stinson
transferred the old albums to 10" lp's. Very early 10" pressings
have no back liner notes, but do have the booklet notes which had been
supplied with the 78rpm albums. These early
albums used the Stinson 78rpm label design. Later pressings had a label
stating manufactured by the mid-town record corp.
Later (can someone provide a date?????) the 10" lp's were expanded
with additional cuts and issued on 12" lp's (these 12" Stinson LP's
issued from the New York based company had textured green jackets with
the slick for the 10" (which was also the album cover for the old 78
albums) glued on the front, and no liner notes, though sometimes the
notes for the 10" lp's were inserted).
I've never seen a proper album for these 12" releases. Does anyone
know of one?
Sometime, perhaps in the early 60's, Stinson moved to California (Can
someone provide a date??) and reissued some of the 12" albums in a
gatefold 'collector's series' generic pale green jacket. The jacket
inside contained song texts, the back a catalog of available titles, a
small white paper label pasted on the front wrapping around the spine
and extending slightly onto the back of the jacket. The pressings were
translucent red vinyl.
Sometime later, the California company issued the records on black
vinyl, with standard jackets with laminated cover slicks and
liner notes on the back. (can someone provide the date??)
In the 50's, the Stinson company also started recording new material
which was issued on 10" lp's, many edited by Kenneth S. Goldstein (such
as the Harry and Jeanie West albums). Some of these were expanded to
12" with added tracks. Sometimes two
10" albums were released on one 12" album-these used the SLPX prefix
with the catalog number.
The 10" albums I've seen bearing the FOLKSAY imprint, have the same
front covers and catalog numbers as their STINSON
equivalents, except the prefix is FLP, not SLP. Remaining price
stickers seem to indicate same price as Stinson. I have only seen low
numbered releases (into the teens), none of the higher numbers. The
Stinson catalog went at least into the 90's, much of it new
recordings). If anyone can provide factual information about the
Folksay issues and their relation to Stinson it would be appreciated.
I'd also like information about the principals of the company. In New
York, the name Bob Harris is frequently referred to as being the person
for whom the recordings were produced. When the company re-emerged in
California, the owner was Jack Kall.
Best wishes, Thomas.
Roger and Allison Kulp wrote:
From what I recall Folksay,was a reissue label,for Asch,and Disc.A budget label perhaps ?You know all of these were Moe Asch's labels,and he just kept reissuing the same stuff.
Thomas Stern <sternth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Below I've transcribed the liner notes from the 10" LP JOSH WHITE
Folksay Records FLP-15.
"Josh White sings Easy" by Langston Hughes.
More fuel for the folksinger/folksong controversy, from the literary
1.Is Langston Hughes' liner note also on the STINSON issue of this Josh
If Not, what is on the Stinson lp?
2.Elijah Wald notes the following JW-LH connection, what others?
Josh also acted in a BBC radio play about black soldiers, The Man Who
Went to War, written by Langston Hughes, and one of his most popular
songs of this period was a war-and-integration number from Hughes'
pen, "Freedom Road." This was not a strict blues, but both Hughes and
Josh worked to make it fit his style:
3.Can someone provide information about the FOLKSAY record label
(appear to be
same as Stinson 10" lp's. So far I've only seen LOW catalog numbers).
4.Are the Folksay and Stinson issues RIVAL issues of this material
the situation during the 60's blues rediscoveries era when the Piedmont
albums were issued on
different labels by the feuding principals in that enterprise), OR
simply a label change
at some point in time? Why?
5.Can someone provide accurate dates when Stinson started releasing
their albums on 12"lp's,
and when they moved from New York City to California?
Best wishes, Thomas.
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